Halo Show: Why Master Chief's Voice Actor Was Recast (But Cortana Wasn't) So until today, people still don't know much about him, and his whereabouts remain a mystery. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. In this Battle of Cutthroats, Who has lost their head? The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. It is possible that he still resides in Arizona, but exactly where he is or what he does, we dont know. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Of course. Whats next? If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And the fatal shooting of her children by her wife in 1983 didn't do much to put him in the limelight. It is because she is a high profile person. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. Downs, born Elizabeth Diane Frederickson, was a 27-year-old divorced postal worker when she pulled up outside a hospital in Oregon in May 1983. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. 5. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Diane Downs Now: Her Failed Attempts to Get Parole There are no facts? And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Also, she became pregnant without Steve Downs' permission. A very reasonable request that was rejected. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. They were put in an impossible situation. They rarely get a break. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. In 1983, Diane Downs said a stranger shot her 3 kids, but police Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. why didn't steve downs get custody. I would like to believe this is the truth. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. 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I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. Their first child, Christie Ann, was born in 1974. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. Hugi did not want that. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Speculative? Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. But I know that there were major problems with this case. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. It should have been investigated further. Diane did not get a fair trial. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. I like your approach. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. I feel sorry for Diane too. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). Search within r/halo . She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. The case NEVER made sense to me. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. why didn't steve downs get custody - Maryland Idiomas Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). No excuse there. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. Is it too late to respond to this? Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. I especially loved reading everyones comments. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. It was pitch black outside. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation so which one is it????? The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. The Pros and Cons of Getting Sole Legal Custody - Verywell Family I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. I hope they have. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. Transgender CeCe McDonald Out of Prison but Not Out of the Woods. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed. This was very stressful. The tragedy that hit the Downs' kids changed their whole life. The jurors had doubts. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. Christie was the primary witness in the case against her mother. Brewer changed his mind. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. Then, 10 days after Diane was sentenced to life in prison plus 50 years, she gave birth to a daughter she named Amy Elizabeth. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Imagine the ones there for years. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. However, in 1980, the couple divorced. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. No. Q. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. What was the rationale behind this? Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. Regina, I love your comment! The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. I think u need to read the facts. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Ryan is still in his thirties and still building an excellent reputation in the industry. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. It is also very is to clean. I lived through the media coverage. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. Makes no difference to me. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. McPherron: I mean, it was plastered all over. After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. Britney Spears's ex Kevin Federline gets increased custody of sons She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. And that is why Diane chose to murder her children to regain his affection. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. It is called a conflict of interest. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. Right?? It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Thanks again. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. If Hugi got attached to the children, why did he wait 2 years when little Christie was starting to say she had no clue who shot them? I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? He failed. Don't get butt hurt. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? We had a thoughtful jury that examined the evidence over four days. Up. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. Glamour reported that Danny was paralyzed from the chest down as a result of the shooting and Cheryl suffered a major stroke as a result of the attack that left her with a lifelong speech impediment. Check your inbox to be the first to know the hottest news. In a perfect world this would always be the case. No matter how horrible people think she is. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. I know several foster parents and social workers. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. The child was adopted and was later named Rebecca. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. It was not unlike brainwashing. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. She folded it neatly around her arm. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. The former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader sparked a romantic relationship with Howey and shortly after her career took off with a little help from the Something Borrowed actor's father, who was an. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. Oh my. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Seriously. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. Therefore, to make their marriage work, they started a family, believing that it would make everything okay. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. "I knew within 30 minutes of talking with that woman that she was guilty": Surgeon who helped save one of Diane Downs' kids in 1983 after she shot her recalls chilling interaction.
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