For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? I do attend the Church of Christ. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. 13:8-10). He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. 7.) Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. I really have an issue with this point. We use our monetary resources alone. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. In the Midst of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network's Website and @greg The heading of the website is true. Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. I will not post here again. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. The ones Ive attend are really good. I think I already addressed that point. In 1606, after nine months of soul-searching and study of the New Testament he was convinced that the doctrines and practices of the Church of England were not Biblical, and thus he resigned as priest and left the church. Independent Church. If other will share. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Church Directory Sub-pages. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. It was horrible. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). Greg, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). We are not under law. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. Fundamentalist Baptist Church You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. Find an Independent Baptist Church Near You Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. Just some thoughts. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. Follow us on Pinterest: List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Faith Baptist Church, Thomasville, GA - Videos Thank you. 5. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. Sarah Silverman pastor comments: New Independent Fundamental Baptist Independent Fundamental Churches of America - Britannica They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! 5.) Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. . Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. Select worship style. In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. I understand all that. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. I am having a hard time figuring you out. @greg I agree! I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. Using the KJV only is not the problem. baptistinfo.org Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. . The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Enter keyword. They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. Note..I, no particular denomination. The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. 78. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. G.L. I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. 1. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. I dont believe it is a Law that one has to tithe. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. fundamental, Baptist, church. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. Beliefs - Fundamental Baptist Church To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. There are no rules about what to give at all. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Filter Churches. The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Lynne, I think that point was already addressed. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. The list is endless. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Jim Boorujy - Assistant Pastor - Fellowship Baptist Church | LinkedIn The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. We hope it will be a blessing to you. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Also, I support tithing personally. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians.